Roswell Crash Photographer
James Bond Johnson, Ph.D.Fort Worth, Texas July, 1947
As our readers know, we have a strong interest in the Roswell case, and I am always
looking for new evidence or stories told by people involved in this dramatic episode
of UFO history. One day I received the following email and couldn't help but send
an email back to the source .....|
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 16:25:53
Major Jesse Marcel holding part of the Roswell Wreckage.
This photo was taken by
General Ramey, at the Fort Worth Army
The two pictures above are two of the photos taken by James for his paper (and in the
book's credit, this publication is named), the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, on that fateful day,
July 8th, 1947. The Army had just received the wreckage recovered at Roswell (New Mexico) which was
almost immediately flown to the Fort Worth Army Air Base earlier. The media was permitted to see a part
of the wreckage and talk with members of the staff (although Major Marcel stated in personal interviews
long after this date that General Ramey ordered him not to say anything, he just posed for pictures).
These two photographs are found in the book The Roswell Incident
(by Charles Berlitz and William Moore, pages 32 & 33 in the hardback edition, published
by Gossett & Dunlap, New York, NY, 1980). If you would like Mr. Johnson perspective on the
photos shown here, he talks about them in an email listed below.|
Following is a summary of information given in this book about Roswell stating the significant and history of these two photos:
It is stated that less than 24 hour after the Army Air Force announced (this annoucement was first issued by the Roswell Air Force base) they had recovered the wreckage of a crashed UFO near a New Mexico ranch, the first photo on the reader's left was released. This picture shows Major Jesse Marcel who was the Air Force officer to go out to the crash site and discovered the debris. This photo was supposed to back up their claim that the wreckage was from a weather balloon.
We are proud to share on the remainder of this page additional information Mr. Johnson has shared with us via a series of emails related to his experience as a photographer for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram who was present at this press conference on July 8th, 1947.
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:16:59 -0500
From: Joshua Shapiro
To: JBONJO@aol.com (James Bond Johnson, Ph.D.)
Subject: Re: Updating The Roswell Incident
we encourage you to visit our web site at:
we have tried to share the latest there and there is a great deal of material (old and new) ... you may find something of value
also could we interview you via email and share this interview on our web site? especially would be interested to see what you saw in 1947 that you photographed ... if you felt a strange vibration in the air, etc ...
good luck, many people are expecting this case to be sacrificed by official sources shortly ...
V J Enterprises
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 23:06:04
From: JBONJO@aol.com (James Bond Johnson, Ph.D.)
Subject: Re: Updating The Roswell Incident
Thanx, Joshua, for your reply re Roswell UFO Crash. I would be Happy to be Interviewed after Tuesday, 10-8-96. Just give a call. Best Time about 0700 Daily. Regards.
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 11:20:12
From: JBONJO@aol.com (James Bond Johnson, Ph.D.)
To: email@example.com (JOSHUA SHAPIRO)
Subject: Roswell UFO Crash Photos
Joshua, appreciate your interest in the "Roswell Mystery" and your taking the time to pass some questions to me.
To reply to your questions, Seriatim:
RE: My BACKGROUND am attaching a recent vita. If you want anything else please ask.
As to reasons why I was present to take pix of the wreckage, this has been covered rather extensively in several articles, e.g., Randle and Schmitt's "UFO Crash at Roswell" Pgs 72-74, 76, 208, 275, 285, 292 -- There are several inaccuracies since Randle put words in my mouth to conform to his own theories as to the events (Gen Exon has the same criticism of Randle); Highly Accurate Accounts: "3 Hours that Shook the Press", by Jaime H. Shandera and William L. Moore, Mufon UFO Journal, Sept. 1990, Pgs 3-10; "New Revelations about the Roswell Wreckage: A General Speaks Up" by Jaime H. Shandera, Focus, 1991, Pgs 9-16; Stanton Friedman Resigns from the Fair-Witness Board", Focus, 1991, Pgs 17-22. If you do not have these publications available, let me know.
In July of 1947 it was less than two years after I had been discharged from the AAF as a pilot cadet at the end of WWII. In those days generals were highly credible and seldom was their word questioned either by other military types or the media. At the time of the Photo Session in Gen. Ramey's office, it was clear that the smelly debris spread out on the General's carpet was something considered special. At that time and until the present, air crashes are usually set up in aircraft hangers for examination -- not in Commanding General's offices.
After I hurriedly developed my photos of the crashed wreckage on the evening of July 8th, 1947, at the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and turned the wet prints -- there was such an urgency to rush the photos into print that there was no time to dry the prints -- over to my city editor and the wire services, I went home. I recall that there was a flood of phone requests from the National Photo Services for "Exclusive" photos but I didn't have any to offer them. The weather ballon cover-up story didn't surface until after I had gone home. It then ran in the A.M. Editions and my photos then didn't run until the P.M. Editions the next day since the crash wreckage had now been "EXPLAINED".
To answer your question, I certainly bought Gen. Ramey's statement to me at the time of the photo session that he didn't know what all this trash was while at the time he was giving it "VIP" treatment. It remains curious to me after 49 years that:1. Gen. Ramey spread the wreckage out on the carpet in his officeI think it is certainly a mark of the "Times" that the media bought Gen Ramey's sudden cover-up story without any question in 1947. Just imagine what media response would be to such a sudden explanation "Switch" on the part of the Air Force today! And today on such an important story everyone from the President to Ross Perot -- and probably Jesse Jacson! -- Would be thoroughly interviewed Live!
2. That he (Gen. Ramey) put on his class "A" uniform complete with jacket and frame cap for the photos taken in his own office while Col. Dubose, Maj. Marcel and Warrant Officer Newton all were photographed in their class "B" uniforms -- with no hat, tie or jacket. I still believe the General thought at the time of the photo session that he was living an important day in history. Gen. Dubose (later became a General) also has confirmed that theory in his Shandera Interviews. It must have been only after I departed his office that he (Gen. Ramey) that he was ordered by AAF HQ (headquarters) in Washington (D.C.) to issue the Raywin Kite/Weather Balloon Cover-up Story. I know of no evidence that there was a switch of wreckage in Gen. Ramey's office to support the cover-up story.
I do not have a theory as to what really happened at Roswell. I didn't give it any consideration from 1947 until contacted by the first of the interviewers in about 1980. I have tried to recall and reconstruct my memory of events of July 8th, 1947, and have given all my information and theories to the interviewers. I am impressed by the sincerity of the military folks I have discussed this situation with. I was not impressed with the attitude of the Air Force Intelligence officer who interviewed me in 1994 in connection with the GAO investigation in that he seemed to be just going through the motions and not too concerned with finding the true facts -- his mind seemed already made up! I am most impressed that of the serveral individuals who were stationed at some point at Wright Pat. (Wright Patterson) -- including Gen. Exon, who was the CG there and who flew over the crash debris field at Roswell in 1947 -- all of them seem to:
(1) Be willing to freely share their thoughts and informationIt is also very curious to me that none -- in or out of the Military -- is known to have seen or photographed this wreckage -- or any other "UFO" wreckage -- since that time even though the Air Force no longer claims any secret classification for its several "Captured" UFOs. If the negatives for these Gen. Ramey office photos did not exist in the University of Texas Library archives today, the U.S. Govt. could simply deny that any UFOs had ever been "Captured" and dismiss the whole incident as totally unimportant.
(2) Know either where the wreckage is or was stored
(3)Where the Alien Body is or was kept. There seems to be agreement that only the best body was kept and that the other three must have been in very bad shape and probably were not kept.
I do not have any "Personal Message" I am trying to share. I have never sought any publicity for myself but always have tried to answer all the interviewers to the best of my ability -- and dimming memory! I have not sought to speak on this subject since I had such a brief and realtively unimportant contact. This upcoming speech at the Church in Norwalk, CA, on Oct. 26th was not sought by me but came about only at the invitation of the Pastor.
The Roswell Incident really has not affected my life too much. As people have read about my involvement in the Mystery of Roswell, they often have interesting questions. I am rather amazed at the large numbers of folks who either (1) Believe in UFOs or (2) Have a personal sighting experinces.
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:03:46 -0500|
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Finally read your material
I have finally gone over your material and have a few more questions and clarification for you
First of all, your experience with Roswell was as a photograph for your newspaper. Your feeling was, at the time pictures were being taken, that you saw part of the real materials, which you said had a smell ... did you see any of the ibeam type materials with characters on them ..
that within a day of the meeting with newsmen that General Ramey then changed his attitude and made it into a weather balloon.
Can you elaborate any more about what you saw ... did it look like terrestrial materials, what comments were made by other photographers and reports ... did you sense an energy or force field around this material ....
hope you are meeting with success to share your story
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:21:33|
From: "James Bond Johnson, Ph.D."
Subject: Re: Finally read your material
Yes, while I had been since 1943 a police reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram I had purchased my own 4"x5" Speed-Graphic press camera after WWII and carried it in my auto trunk for back-up use at night, etc. After I returned from WWII service in the AAF I also was the military editor. It was in that context that I was assigned in mid afternoon on July 8, 1947, by my city editor to go out to FWAAF (later Carswell AFB) and get a shot of a 'flying disc' the Air Corps had "captured" and was flying in from Roswell AAF. I now think I arrived at General Ramey's office within less than an hour after the debris arrived and it was for some reason spread out on the carpet in the general's office.
As far as is now known I was the only photographer or reporter to see or photograph the debris in the general's office since no one else has been identified as such and no other photos have turned up. A FWAAF PIO phototographer may have taken the Newton photo to accompany the "cover up" story but I do not know any details. Now I do not think there was a "grand scheme" by the AAF to "set me up" with the photo. I have no reason to believe other than that at that time they simply did not know what they had. I am convinced that there was not enough time or expertise (Hollywood set decorators!) at FWAAF to provide a "dummy double" of a "weather balloon" as Kevin Randle has somehow decided.
The Rawin kite/weather balloon "cover story" probably was issued by General Ramey live on radio on orders of General McMullen within two hours after I took the pictures and returned to the Star-Telegram to develop and print them. The story was still very live when I returned to the S-T city room but was superseded by the cover story within the couple of hours it probably would have taken to recall to work the air brush artist who would have been needed to retouch the photo for engraving and publication in the a.m. paper (this happened rather routinely). The photo did not run then until the next p.m. editions on 7-9-47.
All of the stuff I saw appears in the photos. One of the larger, flat I-beams -- I did not notice any strange markings at the time-- does appear in one of the photos. This was cropped out of the picture published in the paper. Some people also may identify the several "balsa wood kite sticks" (as they later have been described) in the photos as I-beams. Kent Jeffrey told me last week that they are blowing up the negatives now with some new technology to see if any markings appear on the "I-beams."
The debris did smell like a burned building (which I experienced frequently as a police reporter). I do not recall any feelings as to its origin or caused to sense anything "out-of-this world." I recall wondering at the time why this stinking stuff was displayed in the Commanding General's office on his nice carpet rather than in a hanger where airplane crashes usually were and are laid out for investigation.
I already had gone home and was out of the loop when the "cover story" was issued so I had no reason to question anything announced by Gen Ramey on the radio. There is no record of any formal "press conference." I know that in 1947 as a recently discharged AAF pilot cadet I would not likely have challenged a West Point grad Air Force commanding general's explanation.
I am not trying especially to "share" my story but am willing to answer anyone's questions with whatever recollections and evidence I have 50 years later. I have never made a buck off this story other than a few dollars I probably got from the wire services for the photos sent to them at the time. I remember that evening at the city room wishing I had taken a lot more shots since Life and all the photo services and newsmagazines were wanting to buy "exclusive" shots. I am not even listed on the 'web' among the UFO who's who.
If any more questions pass them along. The most complete and accurate story is in "3 Hours That Shook the Press" by Shandera and Moore and related articles printed in MUFON and other UFO mags.
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 11:03:46 -0500|
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Getting ready to do a page on your experience
I would like to include some images of either your picture or the pictures you took for the Texas newspaper about Roswell.
I looked in the book, The Roswell Incident and saw on page 32-33 two pictures one of Jessie Marcel holding the wreckage and the other showing General Ramey ...can we use these pictures as examples of what you took
also did Berlitz or Moore interview you in their book?
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 10:05:10 -0800
To: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: Getting ready to do a page on your experience
Yes, those are the pictures in the Moore-Berlitz "Roswell" book. And also there are more of them in Kevin Randle's first book. (I haven't seen his second book so don't know what it contains.) I have run across several of them already on the Internet but you are of course free to use them again. At the time of their book I had not been contacted by anyone. My first "modern day" contact was when I accidentally saw "In Search of..." on TV and realized that the foto of Gen Ramey shown was one that I had taken. I contacted Alan Landsburg, the tv show producer, and was invited to a party at his house; Jesse Marcel Sr. was to be the honoree. A few days before the party I received a call from Alan who said the party was postponed due to Marcel's illness. He died shortly thereafter and I never got to meet with Marcel Sr. (I had a good visit with Jesse Jr. at the screening for the movie "Roswell" a couple of years ago.)
I then went to Fort Worth to get "refreshed" on the Roswell Incident. I had not even thought about this incident since the next day after it happened (7-8-47) so my memory was very fuzzy. I read the Star-Telegram for that period filed in the Fort Worth public library. I found out my negatives were housed in the Univ. of Texas at Arlington library archives. I went out there and they were able only to locate two of them at that time. I ordered 8x10s. I understand that now they have located and collated five negatives -- including duplicate shots. I was unsure then how many I had taken.
A short time later the historical librarian at UTA contacted me to determine if she could give my phone number to UFO researchers who were inquiring about the photos and ordering prints. I okayed it so was then contacted by Stan and Kevin and Moore-Shandera -- which resulted in many hours of phone and personal interviews. Incidentally, I have never made a dime out of all this!
I am not anxious to have my photo included -- I'll let Stan F. do that. I did enjoy my speech last Saturday in Norwalk. There were some of the UFO fanatics there who looked at me as if I was the "Second Coming" since "I was there!"
I will appreciate reviewing your copy before it is "published."
J. Bond Johnson, Ph.D. has been incurably curious for 70 years. This led to
his becoming for five years a reporter-photographer for the Fort Worth
Star-Telegram then the South's largest newspaper -- and to pursuing university
degrees in journalism, education, theology and
psychology at Texas Wesleyan, Texas Christian, Southern Methodist and
Claremont. He was a post doctorate fellow of the National Institute of
Mental Health for three years of clinical psychiatry training in the
post-graduate Department of Psychiatry, University of Southern California
School of Medicine. He also received clinical training
at the U. S. Public Health Service Hospital in Fort Worth, TCU-VA Veterans
Guidance Center in Fort Worth, Metropolitan Hospital in Norwalk, Tri-City
Mental Health Authority in Pomona, and Memorial Hospital Medical Center of
Long Beach. |
He has been an ordained United Methodist minister for 48 years and since 1960 has been a California board certified and licensed clinical psychologist. He was in private practice as a clinical and consulting psychologist in Long Beach for 31 years with specialties in family therapy, sports and industrial psychology. In 1970, he founded the Long Beach Youth Home, a residential treatment facility and school for emotionally troubled youths, and in 1974 he established Cedar House in Long Beach, which has become a national model in the treatment of child and spousal abuse. He recently retired as senior pastor of the First United Methodist Church of San Pedro.
He pioneered in studying the etiology of post-traumatic stress disorder, having interviewed returned prisoners of war, escapees and evadees during three wars. He served as an Army Air Corps pilot cadet in World War II, a Marine Corps captain (public information) during the Korean conflict and an Army psychological operations specialist during the Vietnam War. He has been a consultant to the National Security Council at the White House, he served on the Eisenhower Commission, which revised the Code of Conduct for prisoners of war and was a Pentagon consultant to "Operation Homecoming," the Department of Defense rehabilitation program for returning prisoners of war after the Vietnam War. He is retired from the U. S. Army in the rank of colonel after 33 years of active and reserve service. He is a past multi-term president of both the Long Beach and Los Alamitos chapters of The Retired Officers Association and is a life member of the U. S. Marine Corps Combat Correspondents Association.
An inveterate traveler, he has organized and led group tours to six continents in recent years, specializing in "Sentimental Journeys" of former servicemen and women (and widows) to American battlefields around the world.
He has received the most attention of late for having photographed in 1947 for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram the wreckage of the controversial "UFO crash" at Roswell, New Mexico. He recently was portrayed in this incident in the movie "Roswell" produced by Showtime.
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