Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:23:55 -0600
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
Hello,
My name is Joshua Shapiro, just joining this mailing list thanks to a
few e-mails with Rene (who is doing a great job)!!!
Wanted to throw out a question on this list and see what type of
reaction comes back?
I have been gathering UFO information via Internet and most of the
focus is on the so-called controlling races (Greys - Orion, etc ...)
which I believe for the most part is true.
However, when I start to read information from more loving and non-
intervening races (Pleiadians, Andromadeans, etc ) there are so many
scenarios, it is incredible. One thing I do know is that humanity
will need to cooperate and work together to survive the coming
transformation and according to this guide (my future me perhaps?) a
Golden Age will result. But with all the interference apparently going
on, who is really helping us? I hear about landings (via Sheldon
Nidle) and this and that ... but it seems to me that the receiving of
messages from spirit or Space Brothers there is a great deal of
interference. My only vision is for each of us to visualize
the most loving energy surrounding the planet, all living creatures
(above, on the surface and below) and to those in charge. Why did the
Greys ask that the Gov't not reveal their presence, seems to me, if we
link into our inner part, the soul in unity, the power of this energy
is beyond any technology used to control.
Well enough said, for a first post ... just some thoughts going in my
noggin ... if you have an insight, hope to hear it (or write
personally if you want)
Peace & Light always ... just another lightworker trying to figure it
all out ............... R. Joshua
P.S. -- my wife and I are in Brad Steiger's new book, "Angels of
Love", talks about how we met in Brasil ... be interested to hear what
you think if you have a chance to see it .... (not a commercial ...
just a thought :-) )
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 01:25:41 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard Andersen"
To: lightwork-l@ethr.protree.com
Subject: RE: The Positive UFO friends?
In message Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:23:55 -0600,
"Richard L. Shapiro" writes:
Hi Joshua,
> I have been gathering UFO information via Internet and most of the
> focus is on the so-called controlling races (Greys - Orion, etc ...)
>which I believe for the most part is true.
Agreed (though I don't know much about the Orion's, and what they are
doing here).
> However, when I start to read information from more loving and non-
> intervening races (Pleiadians, Andromadeans, etc ) there are so many
> scenarios, it is incredible. One thing I do know is that humanity
> will need to cooperate and work together to survive the coming
> transformation and according to this guide (my future me perhaps?) a
> Golden Age will result. But with all the interference apparently
> going on, who is really helping us? I hear about landings (via
> Sheldon Nidle) and this and that ... but it seems to me that the>
> receiving of messages from spirit or
> Space Brothers there is a great deal of interference. My only
> vision is for each of us to visualize the most loving energy
> surrounding the planet, all living creatures (above, on the surface
> and below) and to those in charge. Why did the Greys ask that the
> Gov't not reveal their presence, seems to me, if we link into our
> inner part, the soul in unity, the power of this energy is beyond
> any technology used to control.
Things looks complicated to me too. But for what I know, those who
serve the Light must not interfere, unless we ask them to (directly,
by prayer or whatever). Those on the other side will probably gladly
help without being asked, but only in their own interest.
I too feel, that our inner Light is much stronger that any physical
technology, and that we have to focus upon this, more than anything
else.
Anyway, I'm not in doubt that the planet will ascend one way or the
other. What we can do is just helping it go smoother or faster, by our
spirit.
Light and Peace,
-Rich
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 01:25:45 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard Andersen"
To: rjoshua@sprintmail.com
Subject: RE: The Positive UFO friends?
In message Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:23:55 -0600,
"Richard L. Shapiro" writes:
Hi again Joshua,
I have some things I am in the middle of translating into American, it
is from a Danish woman, who is channeling for the White
Brotherhood/Light Federation. There is a piece from an E.T. called
Archos - not the whole piece, but I hope to have it all finished soon.
And a piece from a long channeling from Jesus, and his future
prediction for the Earth. There may be some linguistic errors, but I
hope its understandable anyway.
Enjoy,
-Rich
----------------------------------------------------------------------
THE INTERPLANETARIC FEDERATION
[This text is dictated by a spiritual being who calls himself Archos.]
I belong to the wide circle of people, who have joined what we call
"The Interplanetary Federation". It is a co-operation, which includes
all planets in this universe with physical life on them. I am now
residing in the spiritual dimensions, but else I belong to a planet,
which is beyond the Earth in state of evolution.
All physical inhabitable planets exists in a hierachic pattern in
their relation to each other. Some has just developed physical life,
others are in a evolutionary state, far beyond that of The Earth. On
all planets which develops a possibility for physical life, there will
develop beings of biological origin in a certain evolutionary pattern,
which is much like the one on Earth. Seen in the long perspective, the
planets this way are much alike. But within the different eras, there
may be many special forms of life, which is unique for each certain
planet. Human beings, in the sense of unique beings, which develop a
strong potential of intelligence and possibilities of diviniation(?)
of soul and body, will develop on all these planets. We can be a
little different by structure and height etc., but on all planets the
human beings will develop through more coarse types, into more
delicate ones, as the divine energi more and more illuminates their
body and consciousness.
There are a countless number of possibilities for variation, and like
people in different areas of The Earth develops certain,
characteristic appearances and features, it is also possible to know
people from certain planets by their appearance.
The mineral, plant and animal realms on the certain planets will also
develop in different ways. On my planet for example, we have not had
as many reptiles as you have had, but in return we have had more
species of predators over a rather long period. My planet is a bit
beyond The Earth in terms of development, therefore The Interplanetary
Federation (IPF)has decided, that I, Archos, shall be among those who
actively contact the people of the Earth, to instruct about this
federation and the possibilities it offers.
The development of the Earth belongs to the most important missions
for IPF at the time. The Earth is in a serious condition, it is in
crisis, but we can see from the spiritual dimensions, that it is also
strong, and can stand a great deal. Like people helps other people who
are in crisis, this way planets helps other planets, in suchs periods
of crisis.
Any crisis has at the same time a possibility in it for a great
change, a transformation.
The first issue of IPF is to prevent more human caused destruction on
this planet. The two most common ways to destroy a planet is through
war and pollution. This way The Earth makes no exception to the common
pattern.
One of The Earths most vulnerable issues, as already known by many
people, is the forest areas. Some planets are not as vulnerable,
because they have many areas with different kinds of vegetation, which
serves the same functions as the forests. But on Earth you are very
dependent upon the forest areas, and one of the most common reasons
for the decay of civilizations has been the destruction of the
forests.
Therefore, we from The Interplanetary Federation will call upon
everyone, who reads this, to one way or the other to contribute to the
preservation of all kinds of forest areas, not just the rainforests.
Contribute to create a new respect and deference for the trees, and
for their indispensable function within the ecological cyklus. In your
own life, and, if possible, in a larger scale.
The two greatest threats against the Earth however, comes from all the
negative images of thought,which is connected to concrete acts of
violence or war, and to pollution. These negative thoughts penetrates
the mental aura of The Earth, and has a very strong influence upon it.
This area has different colours, but negative influences shows as
foggy and very dark, concentrated areas surrounding the planet. From
TIF we, as a counteraction, send different very large groups of
Angels, to surround The Earth, in different formations, for example as
a great spiral which reaches from pole to pole. You can support this
operation by meditating upon our formations of Angels surrounding the
Earth.
You can also help to neutralize these negative clouds surrounding The
Earth simply by asking God to heal and neutralize them. In some areas
these negative influences are so strong, that they act as curses. When
a sufficiently large amount of people are thinking in terms which is
solely guided by hate, revenge, and a desire for violence, the
collective pattern of thought will turn into a such curse. By asking
God to help The Earth to purify itself from this, you can, as a single
person, assist in making the way for a real purification.
The pollution issue is also one of our projects on Earth. It includes
a lot of different kinds, but the most important are the chemical
forms, which influences life within a long range of time. But all
areas, where humans in ignorance and greed make a mess of and soils
nature, so it eventually dies, are threatened areas in the whole of
the Earths aura.
Each time you think with a loving, respectful, and open mind of one of
the creatures in nature, whatever it is a beautiful flower you meet, a
lovely tree, or a beautiful stream, you are helping with neutralizing
all kinds of soiling of nature. In each action you take to show, that
you try to live in a way that in all respects is in balance with the
laws of nature, you will be with us in this big cleansing and cleaning
project.
Like in any other process of development, it is the human
consciousness which is the motive power. We have a kind of pollution
army here, which can help in areas, which are really seriously
polluted, but this help must be coordinated with a similar level of
understanding in the human consciousness.
Even though humans beings in many areas are unconscious and
thoughtless, you can however count on some help from us. We have
several possibilities for reducing the pollution level, e.g we can
induce life into dead areas, physically and mentally healing, and we
can also by channeling through single persons provide for a constant
raising of the generel level of consciousness.
We are telling you this, to help you not lose your courage, even
though many areas are in a serious condition. Help is available, both
physically and spiritually.
When the aura of the Earth is going through its final transformation,
we will be very active also with the neutralization of pollution and
with inducing life into dead areas.
Know this in your heart and console yourself, that is why I send you
these words.
There are areas on the Earth which needs special attention, and you
can help us by praying for the folowing areas:
The Soviet-union (or that area, which previosly was called the Soviet-
union)
Eastern Europe
USA
The Arabian countries and Israel
South America
Africa
Tibet
When you pray for these areas and countries, you can imagine a shining
golden-white cloud of love being sent from the Divine areas, in
through the aura of the Earth and down to the actual area, surrounding
every single living living being with its light, and letting the New
Age' clarity and love for the planet penetrate everything.
The Interplanetary Federation is a union of about *7 million planets*.
This large number will ensure you, that the help needed is available.
But I will repeat: the condition for receiving this help is a leap in
the consciousness of the inhabitants of your planet, as a whole. We
cannot help in a rate faster than the progress of this collective
consciousness of yours. Therefore my very first advice to you is to
raise your level of consciousness and help others to do the same; to
work with your attitudes and worths in relation to the cosmic view and
the conception of the Earth as a living organism.
As you can see, we are a very big organization. We have a fully
developed contact net to many people on Earth, and we are continually
working on increasing the channeling of our knowledge. But I would
like to point out, that we are in contact not only with human beings.
Also the highest developed of the animals are a part of this contact
net, like most of the dolphins and a lot of whales and other species.
Dolphins and whales with their highly developed sensory and sonar
system are the perfect receivers of signals from other planets, their
inhabitants, and their spaceships, as well as they also can use these
senses to receive impulses from the spiritual world.
With their strong and well balanced chacra system they are
indispensable in the seas on the planet. Even though a number of
dolphins will be called back to God in the changes that is to come, a
sufficient amount of them will survive to the benefit of the future on
this earth.
Apart from their superior receiving-abilities you could call them the
Gems of the sea. Through their chacra system they radiate light and
energy into the water, this way ensuring the waters penetratability of
and ability to receive the Divine energy.
Some dolphins are chosen to survive in close contact with humans in
dolphinaria, where they must be given the optimal conditions. The
water must be very deep, the basin must have as natural a shape as
possible, and finally the basin and the room in which it is must be as
large as possible, not to break down their sonar system.
There are however some single individuals among the dolphins, which
are so highly developed, that they can stand to live in even very
difficult surroundings, and they have the similarly important duty to
heal all the people, who come to see their show. While doing their
show, they at the same time open and heal the people around them.
We in IPF will strongly request for you to pray for all the dolphins
and whales on the planet Earth. It is not only out of ignorance, that
they are ruthlessly exploited. The dark forces know their importance
for the development of the Light on the planet. Therefore they demand
a special attention and protection, especially in the years to come.
Apart from praying for them, you can contact them telephatically. No
other creatures on Earth have so strong telepathic abilities as
especially certain groups of dolphins. If you are a bit sensitive, you
will therefore be able to feel a contact, whenever you are thinking of
dolphins.
Also the discarnated dolphins have inportant tasks, and some of them
also participate actively in our co-operation from their spiritual
position in their dolphin-area.
Because of the dolphins' abilities and conscious reception of
information from our co-operation, they form an important connecting
link between IPF and the humans on Earth. By contacting the dolphins
both physically in the dolphinaria and the sea, and spiritually by
telepathy, you therefore will strengthen the important colloboration
between the planets in this universe.
You will strengthen the grid of telepathic communication which like
shining patterns surrounds the Earth, and through which the creation
of a strong and inviolable unity concerning Gods plan for the Earth is
being attempted. That plan, which will lead the Earth through its very
important transformation up through the 90's and into the next
century.
With all these words I for the first want to tell you, who reads this,
that you are not alone - in no way, if you see the universe as a
whole. Not only do you all of the time receive increasingly more help
from more and more spiritual guides and angels. But also a the
physical level is the help increasing here from our interplanetary
colloboration, which consist of large numbers of human beings in both
physical and spiritual shape. I, Archos, represent for the time the
host from the spiritual dimensions of this universe. This host of
helping people, who from other planets have been able to SEE - with
their third eye - what is going on in the whole univere and thereyby
also on Earth. They are now out of incarnation, but continue their
help .............
-------------------------------
"I see the forces of the dark dress themselves in new clothes and try
to create new setbacks for the Earth, and I see how the aura of the
Earth now seriously is wawing forth and back in polarizations and
battles.
I see the dark spots grow again, and how the aura of the Earth is
drawn totally wry, because of the imbalance created by the dark
forces. I see how the earth begin to move and tilt around, but then
the Light expands, man is now one with God and with me, and we stop
the motion towards the total destruction.
I appear so all can see me, and with my arrival the aura of the Earth
will be whole and beautiful again.
I see a new heaven vault within the different layers around the Earth,
where the lowest layers have disappeared, and where the Light now
penetrates everything in a sparkling twinkle of the Earth as
Paradise."
Jesus
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:27:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Jal Kae
To: "Richard L. Shapiro"
cc: Light Workers List
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
Hi, Richard,
We at Starbuilders are living our lives on the assumption that the
Force of Evolution is at work on the Planet. There may be Greys,
Government conspiracies, and the like, but the combined force of all
of these "negatives" or "interference" is negligible when compared to
the Force of Evolution. It's like ants on a beach conspiring to stop a
tidal wave.
There are so many e.t., angelic, and other dimensional masters living
and working in human bodies today that it is hard to imagine that this
shift in Planetary Consciousness is not supported by the Force of
Evolution and The Planetary Consciousness herself. This is not even
including the billions of masters who are here, but not embodied.
Tere is a universal principle: Whatever you are fascinated with, you
get more of. It is like, if you focus your valuable consciousness on
something, the universe says, "Oh, this is important to him... here's
more." We have done much work on ourselves, and we have narrowed our
focus of fascination/interest to only those things (more or less)
which support the co-creation of Heaven on Earth with other masters.
If there are Greys, so be it. If there are bad guys in the wings, so
be it. (In the Cosmic Version of this human drama, there are no Bad
Guys.) If the Force of Evolution wants to use us, totally cool! So be
it.
In Love, Support, and Oneness
KenDon
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:03:08 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
KenDon (*** - Joshua responding to KenDon previous message above )
After seeing some of your other response on snet, I knew you would
offer some insights.
There are two thoughts here ... one is, if we chose to focus on only
the positive reality then we won't see anything else.
The second is, in order to help others, one must understand the
current situation and not walk blindly.
Seems at the moment, I am walking this second area ... and kind of
finding myself involved with all the possibilities. The person who is
my future self speaks to me occassionally, I believe (at least my
interpretation if you will) and clearly the Earth is moving forward
into a Golden Age, of this there is no doubt. Perhaps, since you have
stated you are in direct contact with Star Brothers and Sisters, you
see this also. However, how can we help the people here, if our eyes
are only in the sky? Many people are going to deal with quick changes
coming and without knowledge and connection to the inner self will be
confused.
What is interesting to me is that in 60-80's most messages printed
from the Space Brothers were positive and we kind of ignored the
people being abducted, but now this is increasing or the awareness is
increasing.
The bottom line is that to move through this in the most successful
way I feel, we must cooperate. Which is to acknowledge our oneness.
Some souls may not be ready, but we can give them a chance. All are
our brothers and sisters.
In any case, this is a good place to share thoughts and ideas.
Perhaps what I am seeking is to find a balance, to reintegrate some
new information I have and find a way to help others find this
balance.
Thanks for your insights .... I can sense through your message your
Light shining bright .... Joshua
Date: February 16th, 1995
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: RE: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Answering Richard's Anderson message from February 17th)
Rich -- thanks for your feedback === I agree the key is to stay true
to our light, even if our human nature might like to know what is
about to happen === with so many prophecies and diff scenarios, maybe
it is only a good idea to know of them (without expectation so we
don't put energy behind any particular one) as I know that in the end
we will reach a Golden Age and the best we can do is share our love
and light, help others and visualize a wonderful future.
Joshua (for you is already Feb. 17th, you must be in Europe!!)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 05:59:30 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard Andersen"
To: rjoshua@sprintmail.com
Cc:
Subject: RE: The Positive UFO friends?
In message Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:54:19 -0600 (CST),
"Richard L. Shapiro" writes:
Hi Joshua,
> Rich -- thanks for your feedback === I agree the key is to stay true
> to our light, even if our human nature might like to know what is
> about to happen === with so many prophecies and diff scenarios,
> maybe it is only a good idea to know of them (without expectation so
> we don't put energy behind any particular one) as I know that in the
> end we will reach a Golden Age and the best we can do is share our
> love and light, help others and visualize a wonderful future.
I have known of the channeling I sent you for several years, and my
impression was therefore, that all E.T.'s were friendly. So I had to
rearrange my picture, when I connected to Internet a few months ago,
and learned about Greys and conspiracy, and a lot of other horrible
things going on. So I have studied this a lot myself, to find out what
was really going on, and understand it. Anyway, I find it hard to find
out what is true or not, so I don't take it too seriously. I think the
best one can do is to live in the moment, and follow ones spirit. And
most of all, be positive.
Peace and Light,
-Rich
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:19:19 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: RE: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Responding to Richard Anderson's Message listed just before )
The message I received in 1991 about the Greys was that humanity in
general will not make a change unless they find themselves in a
challenging situation. Also I remember Stan Friedman once said at a
UFO panel in California, that if aliens were watching how humanity
conducts itself, with all the wars and killing of each other that we
have done and still do (to a lesser extent), than why would we worry
if they take a few people for experiments since we have such low
respect for human life.
The law of attraction stated by the ancient philosopher Hermes states
that like attracts like ... so on our world we have both positive and
so-called negative (energy of confusion I prefer) here. Thus we are
drawing both types of aliens. The positive seem to communicate more
via telepathy (channeling) so as not to interfer and the negative
(confused or selfish) are doing things on a more physical manner. In
the end Truth and Love will win out.
Richard, are you in touch with New Age organziations or networkers in
Denmark. If you could suggest or send some contacts, would appreciate
it.
Please go to Rene's Web Page (Spirituality and Consciousness), under
channelling and prophecy, there is an article called the Inca Prophecy
which is quite interesting.
Good to see you are actively pursuing these subjects. Perhaps as more
info about the Grey and Orion activities becomes more public (just
read that such information was shared at the UFO Congress in Las Vegas
this december) it will bring people together who normally wouldn't
work together to bring humanity to a higher level!!! All is in
perfection they say .... Joshua
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 19:00:20 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard Andersen"
To: rjoshua@sprintmail.com
Subject: RE: The Positive UFO friends?
(*** - Richard Anderson's answer to Joshua's message above )
> The message I received in 1991 about the Greys was that humanity in
> general will not make a change unless they find themselves in a
........
Things can be seen from many angles. If someone gets abducted, the
first reaction often is: That's awful, what are these Greys for guys,
who do they think they are? And you may get angry and want to kill
these Greys, or you may see it from a more loving point of view, and
focus on the victims instead, feeling compassion for them and wanting
to help, and seeing the Greys as some kind of children who don't know
what they are doing.
You may also see it from the point of view, that whatever we are
confronted with, there is a reason for it, in the name of evolution.
That whatever happens to us are for the best, no matter what it is.
Sometimes we find it hard to understand this, we feel we are "victims"
of the surroundings, and that injustice is being done to us. But
whatever happens to us of negative things, it is something we attract
ourselves, in order to show us something about ourselves, that needs
to be corrected. Until we begin to deal with these things, we will
constantly be confronted with them. It's just feedback from evolution,
to guide us into a positive direction. I try to see it from a non-
emotional point of view - it is all just a big evolutionary process -
cool - nothing personal, it just happens. It is often when we begin to
get emotional about it, we lose our insight (and then we get
corrected, till we open our eyes again).
> Please go to Rene's Web Page (Spirituality and Consciousness),
> undering challenging and prophecy, there is an article called the
> Inca Prophecy which is quite interesting.
Thanks, I will look at it (there are a lot of things I would like to
look at there, and in other places, but all this mail!!!). Think I'll
need some alternative personalities to get time for it all. :)
> Good to see you are actively pursuing these subjects. Perhaps as
> more info about the Grey and Orion activities becomes more public
> (just read that such information was shared at the UFO Congress in
> Las Vegas this december) it will bring people together who normally
> wouldn't work together to bring humanity to a higher level!!!
> All is in perfection they say .... Joshua
At least I'm tryin to understand it all. I don't think the Greys or
whoever it might be are especially important. There is just a lot of
focus on them, probably because of fear. Very few talk about (or
perhaps even know about) the Asthar Command, or other positive E.T.'s.
I think it is better to try to understand what's behind the things
that's going on, what we can learn from it. Understand the whole
process, instead of focusing on certain things, getting lost in
details. I feel this is a much more positive way to see it all.
Light and Peace - Rich
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:03:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Jal Kae
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** KenDon Response to Joshua's Message on Feb. 16th, 1995)
Hi, Rich. Thanks for the insights.
> There are two thoughts here ... one is, if we chose to focus on only
> the positive reality then we won't see anything else
I believe it's impossible to avoid what can called negativity and
illusion while in human form. Sometimes it's plain-ol' in your face.
The point I was implying was that our fascinations are like roads -
each one takes us on a different safari. Journeys into the Paranoid
Jungle will get you scared.
Fascination with the Light will bring you more insights in that area.
Lastly, in fifth-dimensional reality, "positive" reality (although it
is not viewed or experienced in dualistic terms) is the only thing we
can see. This is good; I'm sure everyone who has a memory of it would
highly recommend it.
> The second is, in order to help others, one must understand the
> current situation and not walk blindly.
I have reservations about "helping others," although I offer whatever
I can from a certain perspective. Commonly, to "help others" implies
that they are somehow helpless, ignorant, unknowing, a victim, or
lacking in some way. I know that they are not. I know that everything
they need is available to them from their spirit. I realize also that
the universe my use me as an instrument to deliver whatever that being
needs in that moment. In this sense, I am not helping them, but simply
"delivering pizzas" (or whatever is called for) for the universe. This
way, both parties can remain in their integrity as Divine beings.
> Seems at the moment, I am walking this second area ... and kind of
> finding myself involved with all the possibilities. The person who
> is my future self speaks to me occassionally, I believe (at least my
> interpretation if you will) and clearly the Earth is moving forward
> into a Golden Age, of this there is no doubt. Perhaps, since you
> have stated you are in direct contact with Star Brothers and
> Sisters, you see this also. However, how can we help the people
> here, if our eyes are only in the sky? Many people are going to
> deal with quick changes coming and without knowledge and connection
> to the inner self will be confused.
I am not absolutely sure the Earth will ascend; I am, however,
confident enough to "bet my life on it." I am spending my life in
service to this probable Event, but there are no guarantees.
Other-dimensional beings work through me; I am a "Star Brother,"
although I do not use that term. You very well may be one, as well.
Discovering your Cosmic Identity is a life-long process - something
worthy of one's fascination.
My eyes are currently focused on my moment-to-moment experience. The
information I share with others is based on these observations.
Although I like to chat about the Ascension, I also talk about how
humanity has this "being right" thing, their suffering, and other
things. I do not get that from "looking at the sky," but by examining
my experience while in human form. Whether my insights "help" others
is not my responsibility; I can only do what I can do.
> The bottom line is that to move through this in the most successful
> way I feel, we must cooperate. Which is to acknowledge our oneness.
> Some souls may not be ready, but we can give them a chance. All are
> our brothers and sisters.
I appreciate your sincerity and support what you are saying.
> In any case, this is a good place to share thoughts and ideas.
> Perhaps what I am seeking is to find a balance, to reintegrate some
> new information I have and find a way to help others find this
> balance.
I agree; it's a great vehicle for this. Go for it!
>
> Thanks for your insights .... I can sense through your message your
> Light shining bright .... Joshua
>
Thanks for your support.
In Love, Support, and Oneness
KenDon
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:12:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Joshua's Response to KenDon's Message Before )
KenDon,
What is the most incredible experience on the journey of life is to
meet other people who's perception of reality is so different from
ours and that little voice saids, there is something for us, some bit
of truth in what they are saying. IN this life I feel I have gone
through many deaths and rebirths .... and I trust that since all is in
perfection, that what I am doing at the moment is where I am to be for
that NOW.
> Fascination with the Light will bring you more insights in that
> area. Lastly, in fifth-dimensional reality, "positive" reality
> (although it is not viewed or experienced in dualistic terms) is the
> only thing we can see. This is good; I'm sure everyone who has > a
> memory of it would highly recommend it.
IN this time, it appears that we can not see the whole picture, as one
person in a human body to another, but we each have pieces and this
forum here on Internet is our chance to share our pieces.
> I have reservations about "helping others," although I offer
> whatever I can from a certain perspective. Commonly, to "help
> others" implies that they are somehow helpless, ignorant, unknowing,
> a victim, or lacking in some way. I know that they are not. I know
> that everything they need is available to them from their spirit. I
> realize also that the universe my use me as an instrument to deliver
> whatever that being needs in that moment. In this sense, I am not
> helping them, but simply "delivering pizzas" (or whatever is called
> for) for the universe. This way, both parties can remain in their
> integrity as Divine beings.
About helping others, you are correct, we can't do it for them just as
no one can do it for us. but I find if I tune into another person and
open myself to the universe flowing through me, than perhaps I can
plant a seed or speak in words they understand, to provide a re-
awakening of who they are .... if all are part of me, then I must try
my best to offer (if they accept) something without expect of return
or if they will agree. Thus, the highest help we can offer is to be
an example of the Truth which radiates inside of us!!! I think we are
a visual society and if someone sees you are happy and your life is
fullfilling, some people may ask why, what are you doing?
> I am not absolutely sure the Earth will ascend; I am, however,
> confident enough to "bet my life on it." I am spending my life in
> service to this probable Event, but there are no guarantees.
> Other-dimensional beings work through me; I am a "Star Brother,"
> although I do not use that term. You very well may be one, as well.
> Discovering your Cosmic Identity is a life-long process - something
> worthy of one's fascination.
I am absolute sure that this dimension of the earth or reality will
move into a Golden Age. This is why the Truth is coming out and time
is moving so fast. For me, I know I have many invisible friends who
help me and I have felt a kinship to the Wanderers that G.H.
Williamson wrote about.
So the near future holds many surprises and new doors are going to
open. It seems to me it is imperative to have connection with one's
inner self, higher self, or soul to be able to understand what is
happening and also to receive inner verification of what is the best
place to be and things to be doing.
Peace & Light always ... just another brother on the path ... Joshua
(Joshua is the spiritual name I use for the New Age work)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:13:51 -0800 (PST)
From: "Lori E. Tostado"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Richard L. Shapiro wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Joshua Shapiro, just joining this mailing list thanks to
> a few e-mails with Rene (who is doing a great job)!!!
>
> Wanted to throw out a question on this list ....
>
> I have been gathering UFO information via Internet and most of the
> focus is on the so-called controlling races (Greys - Orion, etc ...)
> which I believe for the most part is true.
>
Lori here: Welcome to the list!
Just wanted to add my few bits here... Yeah, I hear about them too,
some are "good" some are "bad" but you can't stereotype a particular
race as totally one way or the other, you know? Just like, you can't
say, all Earth humans are "good" or "bad"--see, I hate to use this
good/bad analogy--it's too limiting. And life, the universe, and
everything (what was the ultimate answer? I think it was 42...but
what was the question? Ha ha ha!--I was referencing the "Hitchhiker's
Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas Adams here for anyone who didn't get
the joke.) it's like, so unlimited, even though we don't see it all
from our perspective...You know, in actuality, that guy Douglas Adams
had some pretty interesting ideas that I have come to notice may be
some of the way things work...if you kind of read between the lines
and jokes, you know? Hmmmm...?...
> However, when I start to read information from more loving and non-
> intervening races (Pleiadians, Andromadeans, etc ) there are so many
> scenarios, it is incredible.
One thing I would say is, everyone who is here is participating in
some fashion--because THEY'RE HERE. Everyone who is here is
intervening in some way. No matter how much they claim to just be
here to watch...or whatever. Incredible, yes I'd agree.
> One thing I do know is that humanity will need to cooperate and work
> together to survive the coming transformation and according to this
> guide (my future me perhaps?) a Golden Age will result. But with
> all the interference apparently going on, > who is really helping
> us? I hear about landings (via Sheldon Nidle as listed in his book
> "You Are Becoming a Galactic Human")
Well, the ones I know of, are here to help us HELP OURSELVES... not to
do it for us.
> and this and that ... but it seems to me that the receiving of
> messages from spirit or Space Brothers there is a great deal of
> interference. My only vision is for each of us to visualize the
> most loving energy surrounding the planet, all living creatures
> (above, on the surface and below) and to those in charge.
I'll join you there! :)
> Why did the Greys ask that the Gov't not reveal their presence,
> seems to me, if we link into our inner part, the soul in unity, the
> power of this energy is beyond any technology used to control.
Yes...by letting the Light into your soul, manifesting it in your
life, makes you go beyond anyone else's control...Acting from Love
instead of fear, you realize your true Self, you have Integrity,
Peace, and Joy...the sharing of this to others is the greatest gift we
can give to another person (accepting them as another aspect of the
One that we all are...us and all of Creation.)
Thanks for your sharing, until we meet again... Love and Light ....
Lori
> P.S. -- my wife and I are in Brad Steiger's new book, "Angels of
> Love", talks about how we met in Brasil ... be interested to hear
> what you think if you have a chance to see it .... (not a commercial
> ... just a thought :-) )
Hmm, interesting, I'll have to check that one out. Brad Steiger's
"the Star People" was one of the first metaphysical books I ever
read. Gave me some of the first glimmerings of why I was here, after I
had forgotten. :)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:28:34 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Joshua answering Lori's previous message )
Well after speaking with several people here Lori, I seem to be a bit
more clear today. Did a meditation with a special smoky quartz
crystal last night from Brasil, which has a very special energy.!!!
On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Lori E. Tostado wrote:
> Just wanted to add my few bits here... Yeah, I hear about them too,
> some are "good" some are "bad" but you can't stereotype a particular
> race as totally one way or the other, you know? Just like, you
> can't say, all Earth humans are "good" or "bad"--see, I hate to use
> this good/bad analogy--it's too limiting.....
One thing I have been doing is expanding my energy to experience these
Grey aliens, to see what I feel and what I got is that some of them
are interested in us because we are beginning to activate our Light
and that through our emotions, we are lead to experience joy and love
via the heart chakra. So I send a mental message to them, wouldn't it
be great if our two civilizations walked together as equals?
> One thing I would say is, everyone who is here is participating in
> some fashion-- because THEY'RE HERE. Everyone who is here is
> intervening in some way. No matter how much they claim to just be
> here to watch...or whatever. Incredible, yes I'd agree.
This idea of course falls along the line that the Earth is evoling and
that every being or energy here is participating in some way. Good
show!!
> Yes...by letting the Light into your soul, manifesting it in your
> life, makes you go beyond anyone else's control...Acting from Love
> instead of fear, you realize your true Self, you have Integrity,
> Peace, and Joy...the sharing of this to others is the greatest gift
> we can give to another person (accepting them as another aspect of
> the One that we all are...us and all of Creation.)
> Thanks for your sharing, until we meet again...Love and Light ...
> Lori
Maybe through the group meeting here, we could try an experiment for
each of us each morning, to visualize only for 2 or 3 minutes when we
get up in the morning our world surround by love, touching all beings
and seeing a vision of humanity walking together. I feel since the
beginning of this year it is important to do this every day.
> > P.S. -- my wife and I are in Brad Steiger's new book, "Angels of
> > Love", talks about how we met in Brasil ...
> Hmm, interesting, I'll have to check that one out. Brad Steiger's
> "the Star People" was one of the first metaphysical books I ever
> read....
Yes, I know Brad and his wife and I always recommend Star People. I
usually give some insights to Star People as I travel. I see a Star
Person by the Light coming from their eyes and then I start to get a
feeling or images in my mind of where they come from. Many children
being born now I think are Star Children, if nothing else bring their
light to help Mother Earth!!!
To members of this list, sorry to answer anyone's message but I am a
writer and I can do it fast, also being an Aries and if I don't do it
now , when I am inspired .... it won't happen .... sorry to get
carried away but with all the research I've been doing, I have too
much information inside of me now ..... ou vay!!!
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 17:24:40 -0600
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: RE: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
>In message Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:19:19 -0600 (CST),
> "Richard L. Shapiro" writes:
>
>> The message I received in 1991 about the Greys was that humanity in
>> general will not make a change unless they find themselves in a
>> challenging situation. Also I remember Stan Friedman once said at
>> a UFO panel in California, that if aliens were watching how
>> humanity conducts itself, with all the wars and killing of each
>> other that we have done and still do (to a lesser extent), than why
>> would we worry if they take a few people for experiments since we
>> have such low respect for human life.
>>
>> The law of attraction stated by the ancient philosopher Hermes
>> states that like attracts like ... so on our world we have both
>> positive and so-called negative (energy of confusion I prefer)
>> here. Thus we are drawing both types of aliens. The positive seem
>> to communicate more via telepathy (channeling) so as not to
>> interfer and the negative (confused or selfish) are doing things on
>> a more physical manner. In the end Truth and Love will win out.
>
>Things can be seen from many angles. If someone gets abducted, the
>first reaction often is: That's awful, what are these Greys for guys,
>who do they think they are? And you may get angry and want to kill
>these Greys, or you may see it from a more loving point of view, and
>focus on the victims instead, feeling compassion for them and wanting
>to help, and seeing the Greys as some kind of children who don't know
>what they are doing.
>
>You may also see it from the point of view, that whatever we are
>confronted with, there is a reason for it, in the name of evolution.
>That whatever happens to us are for the best, no matter what it is.
>Sometimes we find it hard to understand this, we feel we are
>"victims" of the surroundings, and that injustice is being done to
>us. But whatever happens to us of negative things, it is something we
>attract ourselves, in order to show us something about ourselves,
>that needs to be corrected. Until we begin to deal with these things,
>we will constantly be confronted with them. It's just feedback from
>evolution, to guide us into a positive direction. I try to see it
>from a non-emotional point of view - it is all just a big
>evolutionary process - cool - nothing personal, it just happens. It
>is often when we begin to get emotional about it, we lose our insight
>(and then we get corrected, till we open our eyes again).
>
I agree (and probably as I was readin this material I became somewhat
lost for a moment) but I also think we have to be able to view many
realities and possibilities, not that we give our power away to such
information or situations, but have knowledge of them so we can be
ready to deal with them in the most positive and loving manner. It is
not right for us to judge other beings or their motivation but we can
try to understand their position and see if a way of peaceful
negotiation can be reached.
>
>>
>> Good to see you are actively pursuing these subjects. Perhaps as
>> more info about the Grey and Orion activities becomes more public
>> (just read that such information was shared at the UFO Congress in
>> Las Vegas this december) it will bring people together who normally
>> wouldn't work together to bring humanity to a higher level!!! All
>> is in perfection they say .... Joshua
>
>At least I'm tryin to understand it all. I don't think the Greys or
>whoever it might be are especially important. There is just a lot of
>focus on them, probably because of fear. Very few talk about (or
>perhaps even know about) the Asthar Command, or other positive
>E.T.'s. I think it is better to try to understand what's behind the
>things that's going on, what we can learn from it. Understand the
>whole process, instead of focusing on certain things, getting lost in
>details. I feel this is a much more positive way to see it all.
>
I have studied the messages from Ashtar and positive ETs and feel we
must also use discernment. Many prophecies have been given via these
sources that have not come to pass and also people begin to trust in
the messages too much without going within themselves to verify. It
seems to me the key is the connect to our spiritual self, which when
we do we find is a very powerful being linked to all knowledge and
wisdom. How much of this knowledge we can manifest probably depends
on how open and integrated we are with the spiritual energies. But I
think it is a safe bet to say, that we are having contact with other
beings and more and more of who they are is beginnning to come out.
All I know is when I hear information that is true for me, my heart
sings, I sense a feeling of completeness (and also realize that this
new {old} truth may change in the next instance).
We truely live in a remarkable time with the opportunity for
incredible growth!!!
Peace & Light always ... Joshua
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:58:18 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard Andersen"
Sender: rico7@inet.uni-c.dk
Reply-To: rico7@inet.uni-c.dk
To: rjoshua@sprintmail.com
Cc:
Subject: RE: The Positive UFO friends?
In message Fri, 17 Feb 1995 17:24:40 -0600,
rjoshua@sprintmail.com (Richard L. Shapiro) writes:
>
> I have studied the messages from Ashtar and positive ETs and feel we
> must also use discernment. Many prophecies have been given via
>these sources that have not come to pass and also people begin to
>trust in the messages too much without going within themselves to
>verify. It seems to me the key is the connect to our spiritual
> self, which when we do we find is a very powerful being linked to
>all knowledge and wisdom. How much of this knowledge we can manifest
>probably depends on how open and integrated we are with the spiritual
>energies. But I think it is a safe bet to say, that we are having
>contact with other beings and more and more of who they are is
>beginnning to come out.
I think channelings are often some kind of therapeutic information,
not necessarily true, but meant to start some processes in those who
read them. It is said that we cannot receive any information that we
do not already have within ourself, or which do not relate to ourself
in some way. So if we have some illusions about certain things, it may
just as well be those we hear about in the channelings. Perhaps this
direct confrontation with our own illusions may reveal some things to
us. Some of the Asthar channelings seems a bit sinister to me, but
perhaps they have a purpose.
>
> All I know is when I hear information that is true for me, my heart
> sings, I sense a feeling of completeness (and also realize that this
> new {old} truth may change in the next instance).
Yes, I know what you mean.
Peace,
-Rich
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:58:09 +0100
Reply-To: "Light Workers List"
Sender: "Light Workers List"
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
X-To: "Light Workers List"
To: "Light Workers List"
Joshua:
> All I know is when I hear information that is true for me, my heart
> sings, I sense a feeling of completeness (and also realize that this
> new {old} truth may change in the next instance).
During the last years reading lot of material, and more and more
followed the same "procedure", also if messages sound very "positive"
on the surface, or "negative" or whatever - the ringing, the resonance
within my reality is the point, which allows it to be the truth in me
....
,
Rene
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 06:52:20 -0600 (CST)
Reply-To: "Light Workers List"
Sender: "Light Workers List"
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Joshua responding to Rene's message before)
Rene --
We live now in an incredible time ... our Mother Earth's vibration is
shifting, the frequency is moving faster and faster. Since my early
days of awakening in 1980, I feel I have lived 10 lifetimes, being an
Aries person and just jumping in to all aspects of the manifestation
of the Aquarian Age. In those early days, I saw a flood of positive
spiritual messages coming through ... and people feeling hope for our
future.
Now, older and wiser (perhaps :-) ) ... we have a mix of messages and
I am finding for myself that no message is positive or negative, it is
information to inform, to prepare us for tremendous change coming.
Some of the information coming out related to the UFOs now is hard to
shallow but I think the essence of this information can not be
overlooked. Things are happening, and as I re-read UFO books for the
past, the picture of this transformation is coming out. That is why
before I said in an earlier message it is important to share the
vibration of love with all beings living or staying on our world. The
faster vibration is bringing out the truth. Even, I am sure, many
people are finding that parts of themselves, which maybe we would not
like to see, the faster vibration is bringing this part of ourselves
out so we can work through it, become stronger, more whole.
Also I read a book called the Emerald Tablets, which supposed was
written by Thoth, who later became Hermes ... and it discussed the
White Guardians and the Dark Guardians. That neither Guardian was
good or bad, each had a job to help in the evolvement of the souls who
chose the earth as their classroom to grow. This idea has always
stayed with me. We have challenges which help to bring out who we
are, Children of God, Eternal Souls. And I feel as we evolve and
discover, it is important to share, without expectation that others
will agree, the fruits of our learning. I feel we are in a time now
when growth is very fast and that we will all need all our abilities
(even some we do not know we have) to help Mother Earth and all life
on the Planet move into the Golden Age. I clearly see the cleansing
(as the Hopis discuss in their prophecy) and the graduating will be
completed this cycle.
One thing I feel inspired to share at this time is a story I heard
from a man named Al Bielek. He claims that he was one of the sailors
on the Etheridge which disappeared during their invisibility (the Navy
- US) experiment in 1943, also known as the Philadelphia Experiment
(there is a movie with this name that is quite close to the real story
he saids). He said they received from the ETs the ability to travel
through time because they repeated this experiment on the same day and
month in 1983 in Montauk. A UFO fell from the past into the future
with the whole they created. That at Montauk they had a time tunnel.
Now maybe this story is kind of incredible but these types of things I
really feel are happening.
In any case, he told me at a party in Las Vegas that they traveled
into the future and between the years of 2011-2013, they could not
penetrate it to see what was there (also told me that there are
parrallel dimensions of the Earth and they knew of four of them with
Germany winning the war in one of the them (WWWII). I believe that in
these years the Earth will move from 3rd - 5th dimensional energy and
that life will be in a suspended animation, and brought back, as the
bible discusses into a new heaven and new Earth. Also I am seeing
many people talk about the Aquarian Age beginning in this time
interval. And lastly it once occured to me that in 1987 (Harmonic
Convergence) when the Mayan calendar ended, they use 13/26/52 year
cycles, 26 years from 1987 is 2013.
So, we will see what is in store for us ... but the key to being in
balance will ultimately be trusting our inner guidance using our inner
awarenesses and hopefully the Inner Self will be manifesting itself
more visibly in our physical reality. The Second Coming could be the
chain reaction (100th monkey effect) of that Christ or Inner
Consciousness fully manifesting soon!!!
Again just some thoughts to think about .... welcome to the Golden Age
at hand .... Joshua .... alias Illinois Shapiro
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:03:47 -1000
Reply-To: "Light Workers List"
Sender: "Light Workers List"
From: rachael davis-shea
Subject: POS/NEG Visitors? The Kryon Material
To: "Light Workers List"
Hello.
i am rachael posting from Hawaii. i have read many postings about the
intriguing question of visiting entities: positive, negative, our own
projections, all of the above?
into my hands last fall fell a remarkable book called _KRYON: The End
Times_then i read the second one __Don't Think Like a Human!__
this channeled material takes what i would term the broad view. lucid
commentary on the issue of entities of all types, here for all sorts
of purposes, some having nothing to do with us humans. The Kryon is
here, according to these channelings, to effect the shift in the
earth's magnetic grid, scheduled to take place between now and 2011.
i believe the date 2013 . cropped up in another posting today.
The Kryon recommends reading many different channel sources, as each
has a part of the picture; in particular, the Pleiadians, the
Arcturians and Ashtar, and the Ascended Masters. most of us are
already familiar with these sources.
this information is only a small part of the total material. our
history as earth is treated, including Atlantis, and the identity of
lightworkers.
well, anyway, does anyone want to discuss this material? below is the
address for anyone interested. the second book is devoted to
answering questions mailed in. would it not be fine to conduct Q&A on
the net,instead of waiting for a book to be published?
Kryon, __The End Times__, 1993 (i think) & __Don't Think Like a
Human!__1994
The Kryon Writings
1155 Camino del Mar #422
Del Mar, CA 92014
(800) 352-6657
rachael ------
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/\l/\
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Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 14:38:47 +0100
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
Joshua:
> One thing I have been doing is expanding my energy to experience
> these Grey aliens, to see what I feel and what I got is that some of
> them are interested in us because we are beginning to activate our
> Light and that through our emotions, we are lead to experience joy
> and love via the heart chakra. So I send a mental message to them,
> wouldn't it be great if our two civilizations walked together as
> equals?
You made the point ... we perceive each other as respecting beings,
and transcended the fear about each other. I wished more people could
look at the Zeta Interaction like this, instead sharing more fear and
stories which prevents us to understand ...
,
Rene
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:11:04 -0600
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Joshua responding to Rene's message about the Greys )
Rene,
Some people say they feel some affinity with the Grey aliens but still
there is the law of non-interference and permission and taking people
and abducting them to experiment and possibly save their race, doesn't
seem to be following the respect and love of all life.
I suspect, if you ever saw the tv series "V" which dealt with visitors
who were a lizard race, there were some of the aliens who didn't feel
they were treating humans properly. From a karmic level, who can say
if the people being abducted didn't do something similar to people on
other worlds, and now are experiencing the other side of this
experience.
Again, it is difficult to discuss these situations because we will
view them from our own human perception and I am sure other beings
from other worlds will view things from their own perceptions.
In any case, all these scenarios seem to be helping to bring forth a
new reality to the earth, at least to those people living on the
surface. I believe there are civilizations underground and on the
Inner Surface of the Earth too and perhaps these events will unite all
the beings throughout the planet.
Joshua
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:33:51 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** Franks original message at the bottom of this message)
Hi Frank,
Folks, my spiritual name is Joshua, so I ask that you use this, ok?
I do not feel I am a walk-in. I do believe there are walk ins and
Star People and Wanderers but we must remember, if we are in a
physical body, than whether we feel affinity to such, we still face
the same challenges as everyone else.
Generally walk ins or Star People, have trouble with the so called
high emotions and so-called negativity of the Earth. Some of the
things which occur on the earth, are almost unthinkable to them. So
they have their challenges too if they remember who they are.
Seems to me, many souls are drawn to the Earth right now for the
incredible challenges we are facing.
Rod Steiger is not the same as Brad, Frank. Brad has written over a
100 books on many New Age and UFO subjects. I just don't know how he
does this being a fellow writer and all.
BTW, the books I have done include: "Journeys of an Aquarian Age
Networker" (1981 -- if we setup a Web Page, I hope to include portions
of this), "UFOs,Space Brothers and the Aquarian Age" (1985) and
I am the co-author of the book "Mysteries of the Crystal Skulls
Revealed (1989). I am interested in anyone who information about crystal
skulls!!!
Thanks Frank and thanks for your welcome. This group here reminds me
of the New Age Forum on Compuserve.
Peace & Light always (now tell me if I am writing too much) ....
Joshua
On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Frank Ramos wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> I have read a book by Rod Stieger. Are you one of the walk-ins? If
> so how did it happen to you? Glad you could join us. This list is
> generating light and love. Enjoy!
> Frank
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 17:39:31 +0100
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
<*** Rene answering one of Joshua's posts)> Again, it is difficult to discuss these situations because we will
> view them from our own human perception and I am sure other beings
> from other worlds will view things from their own perceptions.
We may expand our perception to a wholeness ... as we are spiritual-
beings, if so, we expand from a Human Perception to a Spiritual
Perception ...
,
Rene
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 00:01:28 -0800
Reply-To: "Light Workers List"
Sender: "Light Workers List"
From: Flemming Funch
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
At 10:11 AM 2/17/95 -0600, Richard L. Shapiro wrote:
>Some people say they feel some affinity with the Grey aliens but
>still there is the law of non-interference and permission and taking
people and abducting them to experiment and possibly save their race,
doesn't seem to be following the respect and love of all life.
The thing is that we all exist on multiple levels at the same time.
The Zeta's look at our whole self, not just our conscious, waking
self.
The one that doesn't want the abduction, and indeed the one who calls
it an "abduction" is a conscious part of the person that is denying
its other parts.
Zetas could not carry people away unless they already agreed to it.
Their conscious part might be kicking and screaming, but the whole
person basically agrees and has invited the interaction with the
Zetas.
In my own interactions I found that the whole thing got to look very
differently when I confronted my fears on the matter and dug up my own
agreements. Then an abduction turned into rather being a positive
spiritual booster for me.
- Flemming
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Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 10:22:37 -0600
From: Richard Shapiro
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Joshua answering Flemming Funch post above)
Flemming,
In this time of transformation each of us has our own unique way at
looking at events. I agree on one level all experiences help us grow
and that people choose such lessons before incarnating. But I also
believe that the purpose of this transformation is that it is a lesson
to teach us all that we are all brothers and sisters and we do not
need to take things from each other. I still feel that the Zetas are
learning things from us too and I feel as more acknowledgement will
come out about their presence that abductions will not need to
continue. But we each have our lesson to learn and this experience
will probably help to empower some people past fear. But what about
the others who can not find their strength to reach this channel?
Interesting times .... saw your Web Page and info ... great job. Keep
up the good work ... Joshua alias R. Shapiro (Illinois Shapiro)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 10:19:41 -0600
From: Richard Shapiro
Subject: Re: POS/NEG Visitors? The Kryon Material
To: "Light Workers List"
<*** Joshua Answering Rachael's post shown below>
>Hello.
>
> i am rachael posting from Hawaii. i have read many postings about
> the intriguing question of visiting entities: positive, negative,
> our own projections, all of the above?
>
> into my hands last fall fell a remarkable book called _KRYON: The
> End Times_ then I read the second one __Don't Think Like a Human!__
>
> this channeled material takes what i would term the broad view.
> Lucid commentary on the issue of entities of all types, here for all
> sorts of purposes, some having nothing to do with us humans. The
> Kryon is here, according to these channelings, to effect the shift
> in the earth's magnetic grid, scheduled to take place between now
> and 2011. i believe the date 2013 . cropped up in another posting
> today.
>
> The Kryon recommends reading many different channel sources, as each
> has a part of the picture; in particular, the Pleiadians, the
> Arcturians and Ashtar, and the Ascended Masters. most of us are
> already familiar with these sources.
> this information is only a small part of the total material. our
> history as earth is treated, including Atlantis, and the identity of
> lightworkers.
>
> well, anyway, does anyone want to discuss this material? below is
> the address for anyone interested. the second book is devoted to
> answering questions mailed in. would it not be fine to conduct Q&A
> on the net, instead of waiting for a book to be published?
>
>Kryon, __The End Times__, 1993 (i think) & __Don't Think Like a
>Human!__1994
> The Kryon Writings
> 1155 Camino del Mar #422
> Del Mar, CA 92014
> (800) 352-6657
>rachael ------
> /l /
> /\l/\
> ------
Rachel === would it be possible to post some of the insights from the
_KRYON or give us a summary of what this book talks about.
Also has there been a number of UFO sightings in Hawaii (as they say
inquerying minds would like to know!!!)
Thanks ... Joshua
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:01:38 -0700
From: gerardus
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Gerardus responding to one of Joshua's Post )
Hi Joshua...
You arrived at Lightwork-l. Welcome! You are the Joshua, the author
right? Still have your book, yes! Most revealing and a possible
answer to these Crystals might be in the book: You are becoming a
Galactic Human. What do you think/feel about the support of the
Firmaments in the past? Greetings and as always from a good old
friend...
.!,
Light... Love... and Laughter... *!* Gerardus {-^o}
\~/
Love at first byte! `
! All Realities are Virtual Realities !
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Every Human Being is a very special designed Instrument of
its Higher Self. We are what we are on purpose, and our work
is to learn to grasp, that we and the Designer are one and
the same Creative Force. This Force is the only Force in the
Universe and it expresses itself into different Dimensions,
Entities and Functions so that it may enjoy its own
spontaneous and infinite creativity.
klmget7@aztec.asu.edu or 72704.731@compuserve.com
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 15:16:01 -0700
From: gerardus@indirect.com
To: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
(*** - Answering Joshua's question on firmaments .... )
> Not sure what you mean by firmaments of the past (the skulls).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hi Joshua...
Yes! I know. The book explains that two layers of ice-crystals or
just frozen water was put into orbit and formed 'ceilings'
(Firmaments) over the entire Earth at different heights. The entire
Earth then becomes a Shopping Mall! Controled climate and no
radiation. This increases our lifespan many folds. And 70 degree
temp. all over! I could wear my shorts in the winter in Edmonton,
Canada. Whoopie Deloo!
These 'ceilings' or Firmanents were held up there by means of crystals
in some way. Most fascinating to read about for me and as soon as I
read it I thought about you! And look, here you are on LightWork-L...
Great Show!
.!,
Light... Love... and Laughter... *!* Gerardus {-^o}
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 16:34 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
>> The second is, in order to help others, one must understand the
>> current situation and not walk blindly. (From Joshua)
>
> I have reservations about "helping others," although I offer
> whatever I can from a certain perspective. Commonly, to "help
> others" implies that they are somehow helpless, ignorant, unknowing,
> a victim, or lacking in some way. I know that they are not....
> (From KenDon)
I would like to say that is an EXCELLENT point KenDon. Unless the
help is specifically requested, it will fall on deaf ears. It is best
to sit, and allow those in need to come to you. If you are indeed a
vehicle for assisting others, then that situation will make itself
*readily* available for you!
> I am not absolutely sure the Earth will ascend; I am, however,
> confident enough to "bet my life on it." I am spending my life in
> service to this probable Event, but there are no guarantees......
> My eyes are currently focused on my moment-to-moment experience. The
> information I share with others is based on these observations.
> Although I like to chat about the Ascension, I also talk about how
> humanity has this "being right" thing, their suffering, and other
> things.... (KenDon)
I agree, humanity needs to take a moment and look back inside, it has
more abilities at its disposal than it appears. Humanity *CAN*
overcome the obstacles before it. There are many groups waiting to
help you, in case of almost anything, but please, first check inside,
you might be suprised to find out you can very well take care of it
yourself.
Allexzander
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 16:34 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
>My name is Joshua Shapiro, just joining this mailing list thanks to a
>few e-mails with Rene (who is doing a great job)!!!
Ditto.
>However, when I start to read information from more loving and
> non-intervening races (Pleiadians, Andromadeans, etc )
Might I add "so-called non-intervening races"?
>there are so many scenarios, it is incredible. One thing I do know
>is that humanity will need to cooperate and work together to survive
>the coming transformation and according to this guide (my future me
>perhaps?) a Golden Age will result. But with all the interference
>apparently going on, who is really helping us? I hear about landings
>(via Sheldon Nidle) and this and that ... but it seems to me that the
>receiving of messages from spirit or Space Brothers there is a great
>deal of interference. My only vision is for each of us to visualize
>the most loving energy surrounding the planet, all living
>creatures... (Joshua)
My question back to you is, are these messages from the Space Brothers
also a form of interference?
I believe that before you will see a landing the people of Earth must
first decide if that is really in their best interest. This type of
thing is clearly in violation of the Non-Interference Objective put in
place by the Galactic Council, of which the Plieadians are a *member*.
Does Earth want to be just another planet in the Federation? A slave
source to the Orion Empire? A communication grid line for the Sirians?
Or does it want to be an independent unit, with its own representative
for the Galactic Council? Without this independent classification,
the planet Earth will simply fall under the representation of whoever
takes control of it.
I think the reason we have not seen a landing is that the critical
point has not been reached yet, not enough members of this planet have
made the decision that is what they want.
Allexzander
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 16:34 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: Sirians, Pleiadians & Rigelians etc.
To: "Light Workers List"
Rene,
I have been out of town for about a week, so my mailbox got a bit full
while I was gone, 170 messages I believe! I am slowing working on
replying to these, I just now finished organizing things to make them
a little easier to attack. In any case, my first reply...
>I see. Earlier we talked on lw-l for a short period about Zetas, and
>Zeta-Reticuli system, and the way to interpret 'Abduction' scenario,
>from "negative" until "helping" point of view. For myself, I had some
>time until I was able to understand the "negativity" of the process
>of interaction of Zetas and Humankind on Earth, anyway, without
>getting into details, the negativity is a kind of disturbing energy,
>which lack, in a way, of its own counterpart to be balanced. I came
>very rarely across 'negative' energies: somehow more bounded
>presences (astral-entities), and also the way the energies got
>expressed in past 80 years in Europe - some feelings are coming back
>also from the 'time' of Atlantis, which lot of people seeming more
>and......
I think that 'negative' is quite a relative term. I have a slightly
different view on the Zetas than most, I don't think that the
abductions are negative at all. How could a species which has no
ability to perceive or generate emotions produce negative emotions?
On that note, how could they produce positive ones? The Zetas are
very neutral in their emotional standing, it is the human abductees
that make the situation a negative one. Now I am not saying I would
jump at the chance to be abducted by a Zeta, quite the contrary.
However, I am enlightened enought to know that it is *I* who will
producing the negative emotions and feelings with that situation
should it occur, and therefore have no right to blame these intense
feelings of negative energy on the Zeta collective.
>more also conscious. Hm, how you would describe the energy of
>Betelguese and it's possible connection or influence here on Earth?
The concept of the Orion Wars, and the continuing struggles of
Betelguese are alive here on Earth. Humans live that struggle every
single day. The weak overcoming the powerful, and then they become so
big that they are now the powerful, and they fulfill the same thing
they fought against many years ago. We see this in the Roman Empire,
Christianity, and even the United States. All once underdogs, grew to
be very powerful, and then start doing the same thing they fought
against, and so they too will be replaced by some other upstart group.
It is duality, a universal concept, alive and well.
>Oh, you remind me to look bigger, thank's :) It's somehow very
>similar when people talk about Pleiades in a manner, hmm, where I
>think, they are describing just a time-frame by selecting it, and the
>try to describe the whole expression, but they are even missing other
>periods.
The Pleiadians are notorious for doing this. They are galactically
known for "leaving out things" in their explanations. It is never
done as some kind purposful event, but nonetheless is very common.
Many of those members of this list who have known me in the past are
aware of my feelings of the Pleiadians, and their actions on this
planet, more of that to come...
There is much to learn from the Orions, they provided the template for
duality for many eons. This planet is reliving that endless struggle
everyday, we have not overcome this most basic concept. Duality
exists up to the very edge of the source itself, the Pleiadians have
not overcome it, the Sirians have not overcome it, the Arcturians have
not overcome it. As much as they like to think they have, if they are
trying to convince you they have done it, then by that very argument,
they haven't.
Allexzander
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:04:10 -0700
From: Flemming Funch
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
At 10:22 AM 2/19/95 -0600, Richard Shapiro wrote:
>In this time of transformation each of us has our own unique way at
>looking at events. I agree on one level all experiences help us grow
>and that people choose such lessons before incarnating. But I also
>believe that the purpose of this transformation is that it is a
>lesson to teach us all that we are all brothers and sisters and we do
>not need to take things from each other. I still feel that the Zetas
>are learning things from us too and I feel as more acknowledgement
>will come out about their presence that abductions will not need to
>continue. But we each have our lesson to learn and this experience
>will probably help to empower some people past fear. But what about
>the others who can not find their strength to reach this channel?
Right. The Zeta are learning as much from us as we from them. And the
result will inevitably be some integration and now more need for
stressful abduction scenarios.
In part it is simply a change of mind. If the only way one can imagine
interacting with aliens very different from oneself is as being the
victim of an abduction, then that is how it will appear. Once one expands one's view and become willing to have other types of
experiences, that is what they will appear as.
Alien interactions is a powerful instrument to overcome fear through.
As is earthquakes.
- Flemming
**** Flemming Funch ******* http://www.protree.com/worldtrans/ ****
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Systems: Structures of interrelationships that influence behavior
Synergy: The behavior of whole systems unpredicted by the parts
Holonomics: The study, design and maintenance of whole systems
